The Relational Podcast: Making the Case for Relational Work

In 2024, I joined a Wasan Network peer-learning inquiry, designed by Huddlecraft as part of the Wasan Group, exploring how relational practices, the work of building trust, empathy, and connection, create lasting impact in systems change.

Together with Fabian Pfortmüller, Meg Busse, Melanie Kahl, and Christine Lai, I co-led Making the Case for Relational Work, a six-month global inquiry involving leaders across philanthropy, tech, social innovation, and community design. The experience evolved organically into The Relational Podcast, a co-created series where each participant interviewed another, surfacing the human stories behind systems change.

I had the joy of co-creating and hosting three episodes, with Christine Lai, exploring the art of quiet relational leadership, and another with David Jay, diving into how deep relationships can sustain social movements over time and was interviewed by Avani Parekh on my own experience of working in a relational way.

The project was produced collaboratively by participants around the world, using new AI tools and remote recording systems. Beyond the podcast itself, it became a living example of what it was describing, how collaboration and connection can themselves be the strategy for change.